Comments on: There will be no Leica R10, say hello to Leica M9? http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/ Leica news, before it happens Tue, 22 May 2012 06:02:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dr. Thyl Engelhardt http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1091 Dr. Thyl Engelhardt Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:37:14 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1091 If I were Leica, I would develop a dual mode M9 with a "full frame" sensor, offering the following modes: M-Mode: Like any normal M Leica, were the periphery of the sensor is not used, in order to avoid image degradation at those portions where conventional M lenses have overly inclined ray paths (this feature could be made settable, if Leica wants to be nice to Carl Zeiss ;-) ). When an "R-adapter" (taking the role of the Visoflex mirror box) is mounted to such camera, it switches to R-Mode: Here, the camera goes to full frame and live view in the rear LCD, allowing full control of the image. The shutter mechanism would work like in the Panasonic G1, i.e. staying open when composing the image, and upon shutter triggering, closing and reopening for exposure. The R-adapter forwards input from the R-lens (aperture setting etc. via cam and ROM) and closes/reopens the aperture thereof, like with any R camera. As an option, an electronic viewfinder should be mounted. As you can see, the R-adapter is the critical component, as it would no longer be a passive mounting aid, but take over part of the camera's control over the lenses. I assmue that hence, it would be quite expensive, certainly in the order of 1000 Euro (and more if an autofocus functionality is built-in; have a look at Contax AX ;-)). I must say that indeed I was a little surprised that Leica did not provide this approach already with the M8 (I had asked them at Photokina 2006) If I were Leica, I would develop a dual mode M9 with a “full frame” sensor, offering the following modes:

M-Mode: Like any normal M Leica, were the periphery of the sensor is not used, in order to avoid image degradation at those portions where conventional M lenses have overly inclined ray paths (this feature could be made settable, if Leica wants to be nice to Carl Zeiss ;-) ).

When an “R-adapter” (taking the role of the Visoflex mirror box) is mounted to such camera, it switches to

R-Mode: Here, the camera goes to full frame and live view in the rear LCD, allowing full control of the image. The shutter mechanism would work like in the Panasonic G1, i.e. staying open when composing the image, and upon shutter triggering, closing and reopening for exposure. The R-adapter forwards input from the R-lens (aperture setting etc. via cam and ROM) and closes/reopens the aperture thereof, like with any R camera.

As an option, an electronic viewfinder should be mounted. As you can see, the R-adapter is the critical component, as it would no longer be a passive mounting aid, but take over part of the camera’s control over the lenses. I assmue that hence, it would be quite expensive, certainly in the order of 1000 Euro (and more if an autofocus functionality is built-in; have a look at Contax AX ;-) ).

I must say that indeed I was a little surprised that Leica did not provide this approach already with the M8 (I had asked them at Photokina 2006)

]]> By: Andreas http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1090 Andreas Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:15:57 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1090 Here is a summary of the Q&A session with Stefan Daniel - I filmed the whole event and transcribed the most important statements: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/89591-summary-q-session-stefan-daniel-during.html German (original version) here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-kundenforum/89481-fragestunde-forumstreffen-die-zusammenfassung.html Regards Andreas Editor L-Camera Forum Here is a summary of the Q&A session with Stefan Daniel – I filmed the whole event and transcribed the most important statements:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/89591-summary-q-session-stefan-daniel-during.html

German (original version) here:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-kundenforum/89481-fragestunde-forumstreffen-die-zusammenfassung.html

Regards
Andreas
Editor L-Camera Forum

]]> By: Tomislav Stanich http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1085 Tomislav Stanich Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:40:55 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1085 Well, who knows the very origin of those rumors? If Maike Herberts, a lady responsible 4 the future development of the R & S Series and Mr. Kaufmann as the owner of the LEICA Camera Inc., Company said the very opposite than this thread sais ,... I would stick with their statements. Cheer, Tomislav Stanich. Well, who knows the very origin of those rumors? If Maike Herberts, a lady responsible 4 the future development of the R & S Series and Mr. Kaufmann as the owner of the LEICA Camera Inc., Company said the very opposite than this thread sais ,… I would stick with their statements.
Cheer, Tomislav Stanich.

]]> By: Aecher http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1078 Aecher Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:05:01 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1078 There is no reason why Leica should continue with the R10, when they have they have the S2. The R series is dead its the end, they can't compete with Nikon and Canon in the SLR 35mm FF range anymore. There is no reason why Leica should continue with the R10, when they have they have the S2. The R series is dead its the end, they can’t compete with Nikon and Canon in the SLR 35mm FF range anymore.

]]> By: m4/3 http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1077 m4/3 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:11:41 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1077 I think it has something to do with the light reflecting off a layer in front of the photosites in the corners of the sensor due to the angle the light is hitting it at, causing vignetting... I'm sure someone who knows better than me will be able to explain in more detail I think it has something to do with the light reflecting off a layer in front of the photosites in the corners of the sensor due to the angle the light is hitting it at, causing vignetting… I’m sure someone who knows better than me will be able to explain in more detail

]]> By: Zach http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1074 Zach Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:46:02 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1074 I don't see the problem with developing a full frame M system camera. The M7 was able to fit "full frame" 35mm film, including a film canister, inside its body just fine. I realize there is a lot more circuitry to be put inside a digital camera . . . but still it doesn't seem that difficult. I don’t see the problem with developing a full frame M system camera.

The M7 was able to fit “full frame” 35mm film, including a film canister, inside its body just fine.

I realize there is a lot more circuitry to be put inside a digital camera . . . but still it doesn’t seem that difficult.

]]> By: Justin http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1072 Justin Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:20:19 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1072 I heard the same thing from a rep the other day. Another more reputable guy told me about the S2 as well. He says you wont know the price till it comes out because of the Euro fluctuations. Otherwise everything else is true. I heard the same thing from a rep the other day. Another more reputable guy told me about the S2 as well. He says you wont know the price till it comes out because of the Euro fluctuations. Otherwise everything else is true.

]]> By: Digileica http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1070 Digileica Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:16:39 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1070 It would be stupid and anti economical the possibility of announce a replacement for the m8 1 year before the release... The s2 was announced with a lot of time of development ahead because it will cover a completely new segment of the market and photographer interested in the tecnology maybe stopped their investments waiting the s2 but the m9 will probably eat the market of the m8 It would be stupid and anti economical the possibility of announce a replacement for the m8 1 year before the release… The s2 was announced with a lot of time of development ahead because it will cover a completely new segment of the market and photographer interested in the tecnology maybe stopped their investments waiting the s2 but the m9 will probably eat the market of the m8

]]> By: Wetzlar http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1069 Wetzlar Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:47:44 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1069 Read all the posts in the LUF thread. Read all the posts in the LUF thread.

]]> By: LR admin http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1068 LR admin Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:34:07 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1068 Thanks - I did not see this comment - I will delete the last portion of the post about the m4/3 and S2. I still think the M9 is a possibility - otherwise what will be the solution for R lenses? An adapter? Thanks – I did not see this comment – I will delete the last portion of the post about the m4/3 and S2. I still think the M9 is a possibility – otherwise what will be the solution for R lenses? An adapter?

]]> By: Wetzlar http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1066 Wetzlar Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:14:27 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1066 Here's the bit about the ff M not being close http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/89060-hessenpark-news-official-no-r10-no-2.html#post932191 And you can forget 4/3! Here’s the bit about the ff M not being close

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/89060-hessenpark-news-official-no-r10-no-2.html#post932191

And you can forget 4/3!

]]> By: Wetzlar http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1065 Wetzlar Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:12:21 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1065 You have the link already You have the link already

]]> By: LR admin http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1064 LR admin Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:10:22 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1064 correct about the M9 - that's why I said that they may just announce it in Sept, and make it availabe in late 2010 - just like the S2 (I wrote this already in the post above). Can you also post your link - I have the feeling we are looking at different threads, I cannot see any reference from Hr. Daniel about the M9. Thanks. correct about the M9 – that’s why I said that they may just announce it in Sept, and make it availabe in late 2010 – just like the S2 (I wrote this already in the post above). Can you also post your link – I have the feeling we are looking at different threads, I cannot see any reference from Hr. Daniel about the M9. Thanks.

]]> By: Wetzlar http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1063 Wetzlar Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:53:54 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1063 You also need to see that Leica do not like 4/3 at all, nor u4/3 The rumor you have above is almost 100% wrong :) You also need to see that Leica do not like 4/3 at all, nor u4/3

The rumor you have above is almost 100% wrong :)

]]> By: Wetzlar http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1061 Wetzlar Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:46:59 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1061 It's not speculation - unless you consider that Stefan Daniel is speculating in public. There may well be an M9 in September, but it will NOT be full frame. The full frame M is no where near ready for the market, according to Stefan Daniel. "The product isn't close" he said. If they were going to be releasing a FF M in September, they'd be making them by now... It’s not speculation – unless you consider that Stefan Daniel is speculating in public.

There may well be an M9 in September, but it will NOT be full frame. The full frame M is no where near ready for the market, according to Stefan Daniel. “The product isn’t close” he said. If they were going to be releasing a FF M in September, they’d be making them by now…

]]> By: LR admin http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1060 LR admin Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:44:32 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1060 I did read the thread but nobody knows at that point (besides Leica) - it's all speculations, as I mentioned in the post above, so why not a M9? I did not see anything about the S2 either. I will check again, maybe there are new comments. I did read the thread but nobody knows at that point (besides Leica) – it’s all speculations, as I mentioned in the post above, so why not a M9? I did not see anything about the S2 either. I will check again, maybe there are new comments.

]]> By: Wetzlar http://leicarumors.com/2009/06/12/there-will-be-no-leica-r10-say-hello-to-leica-m9.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1059 Wetzlar Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:39:29 +0000 http://leicarumors.com/?p=1601#comment-1059 You need to read the WHOLE thread. Full frame M9 is NOT coming soon No R10/S10/S1 coming at all You need to read the WHOLE thread.

Full frame M9 is NOT coming soon

No R10/S10/S1 coming at all

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