Stefan Daniel and Thorsten Overgaard lie down on the floor in Stefan Daniel’s office at Photokina on September 19, 2012 and have a long exclusive chat about the new design of the Leica M, the Leica M-E, the new CMOS sensor that is not like any other CMOS sensors, the lack of AA filter, the new battery time, video recording, the EVF (Electronic Visioflex Finder) and stereo microphone, Jaguars, music, etc.