This is the new Leica M10 camera

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There is an FCC filing (FCC ID N5A3656) for the new Leica M10 camera and as you can see from the pictures above, there will be an ISO dial on the top plate as I previously reported. On the second image you can also spot the "3656" camera model that was registered at the Indonesian Communications Agency a few months ago.

Via Nokishita

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  • kke

    Obviously the FCC filing suggests a Wi-Fi enabled M? But not 11a. Someone check the frequency bands?

    • Christian Seidel

      802.11b/g/n as per fccid.io – if and when this really reflects fcc.gov information.

  • sdietric

    It no longer has a movie “M” button on the top plate… And it still has the optical range finder. Thickness the same?

    • R R Diaz

      In this image, the rangefinder window also looks a tiny bit larger as compared to the M 262. Exit pupil different shape as well. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/169a8734944ce16dd2455d57d6eda9571f8f9a1d1e25c0031362d7a752000a0a.png

      • Hmm, that is true – maybe adding more frame lines for wide angle lenses? That will be nice…

        • R R Diaz

          I also noticed that the FCC filing has a short-term confidentiality date of 05/11/2017. I’m wondering if this affects the shipping date or not.

          • Yes, I was told that shipping will start in Spring of 2017.

      • Bo Dez

        Maybe to house a hybrid finder?

        • R R Diaz

          I thought that initially Bo but the NR Admin’s suggestion seems correct. Why include the frame lever on this camera. Perhaps this is the release of the “Classic” using the new basic M body. And later variants would include a hybrid finder and 30-36mp. To me the ISO/WB? dial’s placement is reminiscent of the film rewind levers of the past. Who knows at this point. All I want now are the pre-order links.

          • Bo Dez

            Yes, you may be right but the Frame lever could switch between evf and optical though…

      • Bo Dez

        actually, looking more carefully I don’t think the finder is any bigger. But the angle and distortion does allude to that.

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    • martin

      Maybe Leica has found out that they made a huge marketing mistake on the M240, now making its name M10 means that Leica has learnt and return back to its root! It’s great! Seems promising as well!

      • I think this is this case. I am already confused with all the Typ and M-D, M-P, M-E, M-60 labels (I am sure I am missing a few). They have to pick one changing variable in a product name, two is too much. Note also that the TL did not have a Typ reference.

        • martin

          No surprise Leica is making the M10 a true successor to the M9! I mean nobody needs movies and other high tech functions, at least on an M, fitting these to the Q and SL would be a much better decision… Maybe Leica noticed this as well, we’ll see!

          As far as I see in the pictures, Leica has made a smart move this time.

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  • Laud Farter

    Looks like Leica made the lens mount a bit thicker to compensate for the slightly thinner body, in order to maintain the flange/sensor distance. Good if the body is thinner; better if Leica could thin the body even more, closer to M4/M6 thickness.

    I do hope this new Leica has a faster start-up than the current M240 — I hate that I have to wait a couple of seconds for the camera to start/wake before it can take the first photo, whereas my Nikons go from the getgo.

    • Have you formatted your SDCard as EXFAT? My 262 starts instantly.

      • Laud Farter

        Yes, I have tried it but still takes at best 2 secs or more on Extreme Pro Sandisk cards–thank you for the suggestion. it was okay at first; did tons of research, even trying 1gb cards as some data indicates small cards start quickest (approx 1 sec. but depends on card speed). Have tried the official SD software too. However, the cards slow down over time as they get more photos and reformat card in camera; with 50+ images on a 16gb card, startup/wakeup is likely more than 4 seconds, enough that I turn camera on, raise the camera to eye, wait 1s sec. or more until the framelines come on to shoot. Problem appears to be in the way the M240 first checks memory card and only then can it start taking photos. My Nikons start immediately, and my m43 Olympus cameras don’t take as long either.

  • Laud Farter

    Just noticed that the frameline preview lever has returned. Excellent.

    • sam

      is not for the framelines, is for the EVF tot pop up

      • I doubt they will do that.

      • Laud Farter

        Dual function–even better. Hope it’s also a 1001 scene mode selector, including hipster pet portrait mode

        • sam

          yes click to the right – iso up, click to the left – iso down, so you can make the so called iso dial on top programmable…

  • John-F

    I noticed the ‟Type 3656‟ on the bottom plate of the camera. Should we conclude that this new M10 will be 36.56 Megapixels ? What do you think?

    That would mean a pixel pitch of approx 4.86 microns, or about 205 lines per mm …

    • Fiatlux

      Or 365.6 Mp 😉

    • Douglas Muir

      I’m gonna guess two models cleared under this FCC application. 36 MP sooner, with a later edition at 56 MP (original to be factory upgradable… at a very significant premium of course.) Hasselblad has gone to 50 in a handheld. Jump the shark.

  • martin

    No more movie button – checked
    Thinner body – checked
    Frameline preview lever – checked
    Larger viewfinder window – ?
    Anyways, kidney sold – checked!!!
    Shut up and take my money!!!

    • Yes, I also like what I am seeing so far.

    • TomV

      Movie button is one of the more silly trends on camera bodies in general (coming from a photog / videographer).

  • Thiseas

    Also… is that vulcanite? 🙂
    The return to vulcanite would be more than welcome

  • Pablo

    The iso-dial is kinda ugly, but I wish I could own one!

    • Bo Dez

      Yeah I can’t make my mind up about it yet. It’s very functional so welcomed but I would have preferred it on the back I think. But maybe only because that is what I was expecting and it’s a bit of a shock to the traditional design. I will wait to see it in the flesh. i remember when the current M-P came out and everyone cried about the new flathead screw on the front and said it was terrible and too large. Now it seems just right.

      • Pablo

        I preferred a lot the design of the M8. I hope this one turns out to be thinner than the M240. I think I could live with the rest.

  • Bo Dez

    It looks god. I will dream that 3656 is a 36MP M and and a 50MP M-P

  • Gavin Pitts

    The picture’s not very clear, but from what I can see, that looks more like symbols for different white balance settings than ISO numbers to me.

    If that is the case, I wonder whether there’s another wheel or dial on the back for ISO??

  • Jens Arnspang

    Will it take R-lenses, you think / see / know / deduct …?

    • TomV

      Absolutely, even the Leica branded adapter (I own and use one), but question is will there be an EVF worthy? The last several units from Leica were turd’ish. Even putting an external EVF on the body seems wrong. One could do the Fuji hybrid unit, but many compromises. I think the best thing Leica can do is to keep a forked line where one can buy traditional still image cameras that pay an homage to film M’s, collectors, and contemporary rangefinder enthusiasts and then a digital M which fully eschews the OVF and jams the SL EVF in-body and more embraces hybrid stills / motion capture (basically the SL in M form), as some of us like what we see with the SL, but have no interest in the T/SL lenses and just wish to use our collection of M and R glass. Maybe this is the M-C that was hinted at before?

    • With an adapter of course, I do not see why not.

  • Thiseas

    I find the iso-dial (if that thing is an iso dial) awesome. It is a brilliant idea to place it where the film cameras rewind lever was and make it look exactly like an M3 lever. This is a true homage to classic cameras and Leica heritage.

    • martin

      I quite like the rewind lever design ISO dial! It looks classic! And the viewfinder looks larger too!

    • Licheus

      Would be more ideal for me if it’s an exposure compensation dial.

  • Brennan McKissick

    It’s difficult to tell if that’s an ISO dial or not but I hope it is. It also looks thinner and the made the flange a bit larger to compensate. This looks like it’s gonna check all the boxes.

    • Yes, it looks very good so far 🙂 I skipped the M 240, but the M10 looks promising.

  • Bo Dez

    Hmmmm….From the FCC filing:

    Description of product as it is marketed: (NOTE: This text will appear below the equipment class on the grant): Medium-format digital SLR camera

    • R R Diaz

      Mic drop

      • Bo Dez

        M mount Medium format would be mind blowing but given it says SLR, too, then I’m fairly sure it is a typo.

    • It’s a mistake – see my other comment.

    • Charles

      M lenses do not provide an image circle to cover medium format at that flange distance.
      It is definitely not medium format, nor is it an SLR.

      • No medium format for sure – see my other comment.

  • Bo Dez
  • stevo

    Looks like a Fuji!

    • Actually is the other way around, the Fuji looks like a Leica.

      • sperdynamite

        If we’re talking about the XPro2, really it looks like a Contax.

  • Oh wow, thanks for posting!! 😀

    for me the ISO-wheel is useless, because the ISO is 2 clicks away on the m240/m9. fast enough for all of you! i liked the cleaner body way more!
    a bit more and cleaner rendered ISO would be way better, instead of more MP. you can make perfect prints in A 1, you just need to know how to do and a good lab. 24mp is excellent! or how often you make prints that size or bigger?? once a year?? for the rest of the flickr and instagram guys, looks it enough^^
    sorry don’t want to offend feelings! but you know i´m right!
    they should work on the white balance that isn´t accurate!
    and believe me, they always did cameras the thinnest way. always! but putting more crappy technique inside makes the body larger, it stands to reason, right?! so pray for less tech.
    hopefully no evf, please not!
    nobody buys an M for his overcrowded knobs and superfluous technic, therefor is the rest of the market. you buy it for photography in his purest form. then keep it real!

  • John Malone

    looks ugly, or a render image, i don’t like it

    • It looks like any other M camera, pretty much…

  • martin

    So this is a production-ready body or it’s still a prototype? Anyways, it looks great in my eyes!
    Hopefully the rumors are right that we will see this baby on 22-23/11!

    • raziel28

      It looks like any other Leica M camera… 🙂
      Regards

  • VinceP

    What lens is that? It looks like an AF lens to me.

    • Need money for an M

      Son, it’s an M… AF will never be the case…

    • No, I don’t think so.

    • DW

      Summarit 35mm f2.4

  • JFSG

    It’s not very clear what the back side looks like, the electronics responsiveness and cache is the most complaint I have with my M-P240, and it’s certainly going to improve on this one. The ISO dial is ugly with white engraving, the chrome version could look better. Either way, I think this is a good buy and I will get it since it’s been too much waiting. Please don’t have any ‘Gate’ with early production. (who can tell me what this lens is? any trick?)

    • Charles

      It’s “good buy” based on two photographs?

      • JFSG

        No no, just guessing, let’s see

    • Need money for an M

      I do think the ISO dial is not the best looking option, I still prefer the ‘step-down’ top plate on the M9 and M Typ 262.

      • JFSG

        The frameline illumination window and details like the lens release button of the M9 looks more authentic. I guess Leica M has to balance a lot between tradition and technology, also between what they want to offer and what they can offer without much of Panasonic’s help. Personally I had higher hope for this M10, I wished it to be more film mp like and more design centric. I also hoped it has the electronics of the SL but it doesn’t look like that is the case. The bottom line is, if they make it thinner, more responsive and packs a more capable sensor, it’s good enough for me. Other people may find this update medeocre and not worth upgrading from m240, it all depends and the spec is not out yet. If it was me designing the new ISO dial, i would make it smaller and not put the engraving on top but rather on the side bottom with a mechanism that photographer can only see it from behind. I’m sure it’s more discrete this way if you know what I mean. I also have some complaints with Leica’s uneven pricing. I don’t know if this is a grey market thing or what, people from HK can buy lens and body much cheaper, it bothers me when I buy full price with tax in the US.

        • Need money for an M

          True, but LED illuminated framelines are not bad at all!

  • Helgi

    Ugly. Design really sucks. Who needs dedicated ISO dial? Don’t believe Leica does that. Probably, a fake.

    • First, most Leica M cameras look identical, so I am not sure what you expectations are in terms of design and second, this is a 100% real picture.

      • Helgi

        Why does it say “Type” instead of traditional German “Typ”?

        • That is not the same Typ numbering – I think this camera will just be called M10 without any “Typ”.

          • Helgi

            I mean on the bottom it is wtitten “Type No.: 3656”.

          • Mistral75

            Because it’s written in English (FCC certification): “Type Number” and not in German : “Typ Nummer”.

    • R R Diaz

      Leica does dedicated ISO dials (M-D Typ 262). The images from the rumor are embedded in the FCC documentation. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/217a9144e6baab44d7d1e8456790b6932e772a5cf94fd1cfec9d11a98080049b.jpg

      • Helgi

        Yeah. But M-D is classic ISO dial. Leica usually stands by “Less is more” design motto. So, the fewer dials, buttons etc. the better.

        • TomV

          I don’t think by nature Leica has been about minimalism, they were more about highly application focused functionalism. The M is a street shooter and for the most part have either exited many/most markets. Leica’s not a “classic camera company” but a company that has become one out of necessity from years of holding onto a heritage line – M – as their main moneymaker. CL compact, Leicaflex, Leicina, R… in the past they weren’t so M’centric and today you can see them really trying to bring Leica into modern relevance. I think the dial brings forth real utility and welcome it personally.

  • Tan

    Does this means Leica is dropping the Typ suffix?

    • Need money for an M

      I hope!

    • Most leikley yes, they already did for the Leica TL.

  • Charles

    Still waiting to see something sufficiently superior to the M240 that I makes me want to jump.
    The only thing vaguely interesting would be the Q sensor’s improved ISO performance.
    Everything else so far are just minor tweaks to cosmetics, though even that seems to make some people excited.
    M240 still has plenty of shooting life in it, so at the moment it looks as though I happily wait another four years for the M11.
    Having said that, Leica have shown that they are more than capable of innovative surprises.

    • Bo Dez

      Im still waiting, very patiently, for something that is a decent step up from the M9. The M240 was a side step for a bunch of new features I have no interest in. I bet the M10 is as well.

      • Need money for an M

        Maybe M10 is the real successor to the M9, that’s why Leica calls it M10, there must be a reason for this change.

        • Bo Dez

          I was thinking it’s sort of Leica saying – ugh, the 240 was a sort of sidestep and beta model that we didn’t want to be a part of the history of the M lineage.

          • Need money for an M

            Clearly lol. It seems Leica has somehow admitted the 240 was an experimental dark history…

          • I think they will keep the M and continue to add new tech to that line. The M10 will probably remain the “classic” line. Just a guess.

          • Bo Dez

            Yeah, I agree. I guess you’ve not heard anything re a 240 successor in terms of time frame?

          • No, nothing – like I mentioned, I am no even sure how Leica will continue their M line.

          • Charles

            It looks as though Leica is differentiating their M camera product line to satisfy the wide variety of M users, from the fanatical conservative to the technology liberalist.
            The Typ 262 is pitched at one segment of the market, which I would have thought freed the M10 to be the more feature-rich M camera.
            But perhaps you are right, that Leica can support an even broader segmentation of their Ms, from Typ 262 to M10 to an M240 successor.
            You’d need fat profits and decent volumes to justify the product development costs for so much segmentation, though.

      • I am in the same situation – I skipped the M 240 and so far I like what I see in the new M10.

        • Need money for an M

          I’m still waiting for my 3rd kidney to grow in my body so I can sell it for the new M10… Sadly, my doctor told me everoyone could only have max. 2 kidneys 🙁

  • So I Says…

    It’s a shutter speed dial, not an ISO selector.

    • Mistral75

      What would be the purpose of a shutter speed dial on a camera that cannot settle the lens aperture (no coupling)?

  • Joaquim Prado

    The sticker looks fake to me. Looks like a rendered image.

    • Old Doc

      And the FCC website is also a fake ???

      • Joaquim Prado

        I am not saying the FCC site or the camera is fake. I said the sticker looks like a rendered image, in my conclusion it’s a false sticker. The camera looks real to me despite the poor quality of the image.

        I want a new M camera as much as you want it too and hope to see this pretty soon.

        • Old Doc

          HM, but then it is just a “rendered image”, made by Leica. I would not call this a “fake” !

        • Bo Dez

          looks real to me, if only a prototype version.

  • JFSG

    If it was me designing the new ISO dial, i would make it smaller and not put the engraving on top but rather on the side bottom with a mechanism that photographer can only see it from behind. I’m sure it’s more discrete this way if you know what I mean.

    I guess Leica M has to balance a lot between tradition and technology, also between what they want to offer and what they can offer without much of Panasonic’s help. Personally I had higher hope for this M10, I wished it to be more film mp like and more design centric. I also hoped it has the electronics of the SL but it doesn’t look like that is the case.

    The bottom line is, if they make it thinner, more responsive and packs a more capable sensor, it’s good enough for me. Other people may find this update medeocre and not worth upgrading from m240, it all depends and the spec is not out yet. I know myself too well so I know in the 3 year life time of this camera I will buy it so might as well try to get early on.

    I also have some complaints with Leica’s uneven pricing globally. I don’t know if this is a grey market thing or what, people from HK can buy lens and body much cheaper, it bothers me when I buy full price with tax in the US.

  • T Woo

    real fake for me……looks like a mashup
    the label render is hilarious

    • Brownce Sprouse

      you’re right omg

  • Haoyang Zhao

    Says “Medium-format digital SLR camera”. Intriguing that the terms used for paper filing is different from what we normally perceive.

  • KiAAA

    The ISO dial looks odd to me, and not even circular. I think there is a toggle button (up/down) AND a dial there. If so, it may be and ISO dial and an exposure compensation button placed side-by-side.

  • Scott Nathan

    This news will make dentists and housewives the world over happy.

  • Wow, that is some hilariously bad Photoshop.

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