Leica M10: what we know so far from the leaked pictures

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Some guesses/speculation/explanations on the leaked Leica M10 camera pictures:

  • The white spot on the top plate is probably just a sticker
  • The top plate dial is most likely the rumored ISO dial
  • The M10 will still have LED framelines
  • The movie button is gone (but will the M10 still have video?)
  • The viewfinder appears to be bigger, but this could be because of the angle the picture was taken
  • The frame selector is back
  • Raised M mount to accommodate the rumored thinner body
  • The "Type No" reference on the bottom plate is not the typical Leica “Typ” reference - it seems that Leica has abandon the "Typ" reference.
  • The M10 will probably use the same M 240 battery (7.4V)
  • Some info on the filing dates from the FCC report: the tests were ordered on February 4th, 2016, the test cameras arrived at the testing facility on July 22nd, 2016, tests started on July 7th, 2016 and concluded on September 7th, 2016. The FCC filing started on August 16th, 2016. My guess is that Leica is waiting to sell their existing M 240 inventory and then they will announce the new M10.
  • The white spot on top is just a sticker just like this one - it means that the camera belongs to Leica:

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If you have any other interesting observations, please post them in the comments section.

Next are few mockups/comparisons from readers that show the bigger viewfinder of the Leica M10 camera:

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  • faberryman

    The alleged ISO daily is so inelegant, the photo must be a hoax. Why not incorporate into the shutter speed with a pull up and twist motion to adjust, like so many film cameras?

    • How can a photo submitted to the FCC be a hoax?

      • faberryman

        And you know the photo was submitted to the FCC exactly how?

        • Did you download the PDF file from the link I provided and look inside?

          • faberryman

            I have to say I’ll be absolutely shocked if Leica releases the M10 with that dial in the form and in the location it is shown in the photo.

          • faberryman

            Here is what you said three months ago about the ISO dial:

            “is rumored to have a dedicated ISO-wheel/dial…”

            You didn’t guess where it would be or what it would look like. I’ll repeat what I said in my earlier post:

            “…I’ll be absolutely shocked if Leica releases the M10 with that dial in the form and in the location it is shown in the photo.”

            I will not be shocked if it has a dedicated ISO dial, just not looking like it does and located where it is in the picture.

          • faberryman

            By the way, you sure are touchy about your rumors. You’d think I insulted your girlfried or something.

          • Not touchy at all, just cannot get the logic behind some comments. You are free to believe anything you want. All I am saying is that this picture is not a hoax.

          • Charles

            They still sell M cameras with a rewind knob there.
            Why would an ISO dial be so shocking?
            It seems like a conservative and consistent design choice to me.

    • Mk 1 Eyeball

      If it is to be an ISO control, I would have preferred it to look like the original rewind knob. It would be smaller and neater. And so eventually with improving technology, the M will morph back in to the style of the M3 🙂

      • Need money for an M

        Making it too small and people will complain again, ‘oh the knob is too small to turn, completely silly… blah blah blah…’

      • Charles

        There’s a good ergonomic reason why the dial is a similar size to the exposure time dial, as they are used in a similar way.
        An ISO dial should also provide similar tactile feedback to the other exposure dial.
        A small, knurled rewind dial is designed for pincer grip and transmission of force, not fine control of camera settings.
        Leica made the right choice for ergonomics.

        • Mk 1 Eyeball

          Please stop talking sense and let me have my dream!

  • eric

    still will be interesting to see what sensor it uses and if it goes up from 24mp…the look is important to an extent but not as much as performance.

    • I believe it will use the same 24 MP sensor from the Q/SL.

  • T Woo

    the sleekness is gone…….
    if this is real i’m gonna cry….
    nothing innovative
    dose not look better

    • Ric Ricard

      Not really looking for innovation from any camera at this point. The gear we have today is fantastic. Nikon D810 is perfect for studio shooting and the D5 is perfect for events. Neither the Leica M9 nor the M240 were perfect. So I’m looking for Leica to fix what was wrong with those cameras -not innovate anything new. I’ve said it here before, but the main fix we need a thinner body, better low light performance, better buffer, lighter weight, more consistent auto white balance from shot to shot. That’s pretty much it.

      • T Woo

        oh I really much agree with you !
        that comment was my rational thoughts hahaha

  • Ric Ricard

    The ISO dial is a great idea. As much as I love the ISO setting on the M9 over the setting on the M240, I think an actual dial is an even better idea. And this dial is clearly a throwback to the old school rewind knob. I hope the camera can shoot movies -even if there isn’t a button on top for it. I wish the M bodies would move to the matte top plate of the M9 Monochrome instead of the glossy black paint of the M9 standard and M240. Although its difficult to tell from these photos, my suspicion is that they are indeed using the black paint with gold underneath like the standard M9 and M240. If the M10 uses the same battery as the M240, it’s probably only marginally thinner, but any reduction in thickness is greatly appreciated. From this earliest of images, the M10 looks like something I would want to own. The really smart move from Leica would be to to introduce the stripped down version (no EVF, no movie mode), the standard version and the Monochrome version all at the same time. Unlikely, but it would be a cool thing to do.

    • I like the idea too. From what I’ve seen so far, Leica did a good job on the M10.

      • Need money for an M

        I like that idea too.

    • Need money for an M

      I wish they can put the matte finish on the M10 as well, just like the finishes we have on the M Typ 262

  • Ric Ricard

    I wonder if someone can hazard a guess as to the width of the baseplate by assuming the sticker is the same size as the one on the M240… And wait a second, I literally just realized that this camera may still have the removable baseplate?!?!?!?! I was really hoping for a Leica T style battery and SD card setup instead.

  • Ric Ricard

    More than anything else though, what I need is the ability to take a photograph whenever I want. I can’t do that with my M9, and I couldn’t do it with my recently sold M240. I want it to be like my 7 year old D3s or my dirt cheap Sony a6000. On both of those cameras, I never hit the buffer. I’d love to be able to “focus bracket” my M camera by shooting WHILE I am focusing. I have other problems with the M cameras including magenta skin tones particularly on cheeks and hands and also inconsistent auto white balance from shot to shot. But I’d buy a new M even if those problems aren’t fixed as they weren’t when we went from the M9 to the M240. But if I can’t take photo whenever I want on the M10, I won’t buy it. A proper buffer is the make it or break it feature for me.

    • Gavin Pitts

      I hope for a better buffer as well.

    • Charles

      I agree.
      On a camera at this price point, a big buffer is a small ask.

  • JFSG

    If it was me designing the new ISO dial, I would put the ISO engraving on the side of the dial. Or Maybe even no engraving, but a window below the dial to show ISO . I’m sure it’s more discrete this way if you know what I mean.

    • Need money for an M

      Exactly! Leaving the ISO dial completely clean should looks a lot better. But it’s not really that bad with the engravings on… Let’s hope this is just a prototype!!!

    • Ric Ricard

      With the engraving, it will look much like a shutter speed dial. Nothing wrong with that.

  • David V. Kutaliya

    We see on presented photo of new M10 that it has focus button. Instruction LEICA M TYP 240 : “In live view mode on the Leica M you can mark subject details with optimum focus in the monitor image, which makes them very easy to identify”. Admin has repeated several times, that new camera sensor is the same as in Q and SL. As a result, this means in a technical sense, that we have a new “M” with capability of “Q” (ISO 50 000) and PLUS be able to change lenses.
    And all the rest is a question of esthetics and personal preferences.

    • Charles

      David, what are you calling a focus button?
      It’s not clear what you’re referring to in the photos, and would completely out of line with the concept for M lenses.

  • stevo

    The sticker is to cover the Fuji badge!

  • T Woo

    i’ve got a source that said… this was the original M240 Prototype….
    they just added a dial looking thing to match the rumour everything else is just speculation…

  • T Woo
  • Joakim Larsson

    The battery voltage just tells us it’s a 2S LiPo battery. It CAN be the same as M240 (would be nice) but it CAN also be of any other shape or form utilising 2 LiPo Cells with a nominal voltage of 3.7V.

  • Christian Seidel

    So that “M10” was submitted to FCC because it has 802.11b/g/n, right?

    • Yes, many of those filings are for cameras with wi-fi.

  • joelaron

    leaked image = photoshop. sloppy work too. 🙂 trust me. I can tell

    • come back after the announcement and we will talk again

      • joelaron

        grain structure and banding on the bottom plate are from two different source images.

      • joelaron

        obvious is the cloning footprint in the grain of where the movie (M) button was, and most telling that it’s a fake, on image rt, where the ‘new iso dial’ was added, you can see that the background is re-constructed, and that the far vertical edge that runs upwards along the viewfinder has been hand painted and is not true/straight. here’s a process I use at work to make sure that composited elements blend well.. and in this case, they do not. 🙂 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6b9f049561d64d5723085d32152b71ed992a31990d72377f9a90816fccb4c227.jpg

        • Charles

          If you have a hammer in your hand, every problem looks like a nail.
          It all looks like low-res coding artefact to me.

        • Look, I also like a good conspiracy theory, but trust me, this picture is real. I have been doing this for over 10 years now and I hear the same thing every time – unfortunately nobody ever comes back here to discuss all this after the camera is already announced 🙂

          • joelaron

            Totally know what you mean. 🙂 I’ve been doing this 30 years,

          • joelaron

            Right there with ya! ..but conspiracies aside, just ran the image by a few more people here at work in a blind test, and they all conclude that for sure it’s absolutely been altered on the top rt side of the image. Leica may of used a photoshop’d image to submit with the PDF to represent the final. But we’re 100% sure that the image has been altered, and I’ve been reviewing images like this for over 25 years. 🙂

          • I am in no way questioning your experience, all I am saying is that in many cases where leaked images appeared online, people have done all kind of tests and come back with the conclusion that they are fake. Yes, Leica could have done some editing to the images, but I seriously doubt that because this is tempering with official documents and nobody will take the risk to do it.

          • Ric Ricard

            Are you implying that this is not a photo of the upcoming M9? Or are you saying that this indeed the M10 but for some reason Leica is photoshopping a photo of the actual camera? In various comments here, it sort of seems you’re saying both. For the record, I believe this is a non photoshopped picture of the Leica M10.

          • Ric Ricard

            Any comment on the official photos of the Leica M10 that have now leaked? Are those also photoshopped liked the leaked pictures were 😉

          • Lol 🙂

    • maralatho

      The first leaked images of the MD were obviously Photoshop composites, and also 100% accurate, so. . . .

  • CHD

    I prefer the ISO be buried in a menu where it currently is…it’s still quick and easy to change. By the looks of this photo the dial is right on the edge of the camera and would be susceptible to damage if you dropped the camera on that corner.

  • es8en

    the photo showing the bottom plate seems more like a 3d rendering than a picture taken with a camera. At least the sticker with the “type” and model number is a rendering or just an illustration photoshopped onto an actual photo. something’s fishy!

  • Peter Tung

    Funny to see people argue that the picture’s a fake. It’s just blown up images from the FCC test result PDF… Probably altered for confidential purposes as needed, actually kinda surprised that they didn’t block out the dials.
    Anyhow, this says nothing about the back layout, I hope that they have some ergonomic changes at the controls. My Leica dream continues…

    • Ric Ricard

      Don’t worry, once the real camera is announced and it looks exactly like these photos, you won’t hear a peep from these guys who tell us to “trust them” because they KNOW the photo is faked, nor will we hear anything from the ones who have “sources” that have confirmed that the photo is fake.

  • DouglasGottlieb

    This looks and sounds great. Hope they remove the dot in favor of simple script on the top plate tho. Low key wins.

  • Simon

    This is looking pretty sweet. Well done Leica. I think they listened to customers and made the Leica M even better!

  • Need money for an M

    Am I the only one who wants Leica to put the shutter sounds of M Typ 262 into the M10? Personally shutter sound of 262 is really the best…

  • francois karm

    I Don’t think the new command wheel at the top of the viewfinder is an iso dial. I think Leica implement a flat touch screen on the back of the M, very wide and flat . No button . The new rotary command is to controls this flat screen ( menu, camera, video, live view, set,…)
    Now to set the Iso, you have this rotary wheel under the thumb wich become useless with a touchscreen.

    With no switch in the back the camera is at least 5 mm thinner and anybody who dismantle an iPhone 6 know how ultra thin are the new screen.
    About the larger viewfinder we can only guess at the best explanation wich is to have also a live view/menu color LCD in the viewfinder like Fuji is doing since allready two generation of xpro and x100.

    This two combination will be a real technologic jump for the M.

  • Le Cochon

    The original 33.5mm-38mm (M2-6) should be easily achieved today rather than make a pompous and delayed festivity for the late band. Too little too late it appears.

  • Madom

    its a Fuji X-Pro2 rebranded , like the instax fuji rebranded as Leica Sofort

  • qwertyuiop

    Well we know one thing for sure – its gonna be an overpriced toy for rich hipsters. And those who actually want to take good photographs rather than show off will buy Sony A7rii or Fuji GFX.

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