More Leica M10 specifications and rumors: no video, only three buttons on the back, M7 size

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I received some additional information on the upcoming Leica M10 camera (see more details here) that will be announced on January 18th:

  • It will have only 3 buttons on the back
  • No video (this is a strange move, probably needed to make the camera smaller - it also explains the lack of the movie button on the top plate)
  • Leica M7 size
  • New 24MP sensor (meaning new compared to the M 240, I still believe this will be the same sensor from the Q/SL)

The Japanese website Nokishita also published some additional M10 information translated from German:

  • 24MP sensor (Höchste Abbildungsleistung durch neuen 24 MP Sensor)
  • Image processing engine MAESTRO II (Das nächste Qualitätslevel mit neuem Maestro II Prozessor)
  • As slim as analog Leica M camera (So schlank wie eine analoge M)
  • ISO sensitivity dial (ISO Einstellrad für mehr Kontrolle)
  • Improved viewfinder (Mehr Durchblick mit verbessertem Sucher) - this probably explains the bigger size of the viewfinder in the leaked pictures
  • Up to 5 frames per sec. (Schnelle Aufnahmefrequenz Bis zu 5 Bilder pro Sekunde)
  • Wi-Fi equipped (Vernetzt mit M App und WiFi Konnektivität)
  • Improved menu (Ganz nach Wunsch Das Favoriten Menü)
  • Enhanced ISO sensitivity settings (Erweiterte ISO Einstellungen)
  • Reduced concept of operation (Reduziertes Bedienkonzept) - I am not sure of the exact translation here, maybe easier to operate?

Update: more M10 details are available here.

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  • David V. Kutaliya

    Thank you very much for additional and interesting information!

    • Very welcome – most of the info was already posted here on the blog before. I guess the big news is the no video rumor. This opens the door for another new M with video later on. I think Leica should just go a-la-carte all the way – you pick the features, with/without LCD, colors, video, sensor etc. They are kind of doing this already right now with multiple models. The current M line is confusing – I can no longer keep track of all the Typ versions.

      • focusbyhand

        Thanks for the updated information! This post doesn’t mention the new EVF (previously rumored from the TL). I wonder with the elimination of video and smaller size, if the M10 will still have Live View and new EVF option?

        • Yes, at that point I am not sure about the external EVF. They could still add it for macro photography and focus peaking.

      • Les

        I think that the SL will be Leica’s video platform going forward. Many people complained about having video on the M240, and it probably contributed to that camera’s larger size.

        • That make sense too.

        • Brennan McKissick

          Something we agree on.

  • rich retrogrades are going to be happy.

    • I will be happy too and I am none of the above 🙂

      • lol. I think good shrink will find it amusing.

      • I’m not sure about the removal of so many buttons, but if they can simplify it like they did with the SL and make it work with the M ethos, I’m excited for interface simplification.

  • Bo Dez

    I just get the feeling the M is dead now. The M8 was a breakthrough, the M9 was too. It sorta died there, and this looks like another side step to me that I have no interest in.

    • If you are coming from the M 240, the M10 is hard to justify. For me, coming from the M9, this upgrade is perfect.

      • David V. Kutaliya

        YES!!!

      • RRDiaz

        The M10 is sounding like the “new” typ. 262 concept with the capabilities of the “SL” sensor but not necessarily THE “SL” sensor. Sweet! Now Leica needs to revise the “S” to 50mp sensor, “SL” with 36-40mp sensor, and deliver a “QL”.

        • I think any model with the typ is a “Concept or Experiment” anything finalize of worth of Masterpiece will have a M# 😀 just a thought lol.

      • Or, if you want to add another, or backup to your M, then it’s perfect. I may hunt a cheap M240, but the SL sensor would make a huge difference for low-light photography.

    • eric

      i agree. the M has lost its way.

    • Brennan McKissick

      Um, what? How has it lost its way or side stepped? The M cameras have always been basic. You’re just pissy that it doesn’t have a 36mp sensor and an EVF. They slimmed it down and probably brought the weight down as well which was almost everyone’s first thing they said they hated about the M. This will hands down be the best M yet if it comes out like it’s looking like it will.

      The M8 was a steamy pile of shit and the M9 was a great camera for the time and is still pretty nice. Then the M240 came out and greatly improved on many of the M9’s shortcomings. They sold more M240s than any other digital M which I guess you could consider a success and the M10 is looking to improve on that.

      • I agree, plus the M 240 and all the other Typ xx M will be still available for sale for a while, so if anyone wants video, there is is a choice.

      • stevo

        I would bet my house on it that if they brought out an M with the evf of the SL it would be thh best selling M ever and all the rangefinder purists would be jumping ship (secretly lol.)

        • Bo Dez

          Just an EVF wouldn’t make me shift, but if it were 50MP with an EVF as good as the SL I would be all over it.

          • Brennan McKissick

            Dude, it sounds like the M just isn’t the camera for you. You’re asking for a digital medium format camera. The M is not going to do the same job as that. You’re just too obsessed with the red dot to use any of the other manufacturers equipment. The cameras you’re asking for already exist from about 4-5 different companies.

      • Bo Dez

        You seem to think that your opinion is the only one on earth that is relevant. You keep asking “what could you possibly be shooting that you need more than 24MP” if you don’t already know that then it shows how little you know.

        The M8 was a breakthrough because the whole world said a digital rangefinder could never be done. It paved the way for the M9 which was and is an incredible camera. I have no need for any more dynamic range or high iso than the M9, all I personally need is resolution and the EVF fro the SL would be great. 24MP is not enough. The M10 has, supposedly, the same old sensor as the Q, it has been relegated to just receiving incremental upgrades from other cameras rather than pushing the envelope which is what it used to be. It’s pretty clear the future of the M is only as a secondary heritage product and it’s days may even be numbered.

        • Brennan McKissick

          And you seem to think that the M needs to evolve into a megapixel, tech monster that commercial photographers can use to print billboard size images and only have 3 fps. There are many other cameras out there that do what you’re asking for. They have the SL for video, that’ll be the camera that gets the higher mp sensor in the next iteration. They have a (shitty) digital medium format system. If they add an EVF and a high mp sensor to the M it will run into the same product category as their other products. Also, there are plenty of people who are more than fine with it being a heritage based line. It still fills a product niche.

          • Bo Dez

            sounds like you just need a cuddle or a therapist, or both.

          • Brennan McKissick

            “I can’t think of a logical response so here’s a generic attack that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.” – Bo Dez

          • Bo Dez

            No, it’s more a case of I have no intention of arguing with someone who hasn’t a clue, who is really quite rude.

          • Brennan McKissick

            Says the guy throwing out “cuddle and therapy” comments.

          • Bo Dez

            That’s not rude that’s observational.

          • Brennan McKissick

            Have fun in your fantasy land where what’s up is down and what’s left is right.

          • Bo Dez

            Up and down, quite literally, is relative to ones perspective. it seems that is the recurring issue with you.

    • Ric Ricard

      How is this losing their way? First the created the ONLY stripped down digital camera in existence M8/M9. Now, if the rumors are true, they are stripping the camera down even more by giving it fewer features than the M240. Not one single camera company has ever done that. Even when Nikon claimed to do that with the Df, they refused to do it and instead created a MORE complicated camera than they had in the past. If the rumors are true, the M10 will be a really great camera that is a fine successor to the M4, M6, M9, etc.

      • Bo Dez

        I can only speak for my own needs. The M9 is perfect and if it was 50MP, with the same dynamic range and the same ISO, plus maybe an optional EVF, then I would have everything I need.

  • J.L. Williams

    I really, really hope “reduced concept of operation” means “fewer features, less complicated.” This idea would tie in with the elimination of video capability as well. For some types of photography, extra controls and features just get in the way (lookin’ at you, Fuji!) and a more spartan camera might have a lot of appeal for the traditional M user. It’s the first digital Leica I’ve been even a little excited about.

    • Ben Woodard

      I’m kind of excited by this it is probably one of the things that I like most about the M. I could see them moving to a very SL like UI using only two back buttons and the thumbwheel. I expect that the 3 buttons that they are counting are the two back buttons and the front button.

      It isn’t as crazy as it sounds. If ISO has its own dial, then they don’t need that button. Having a dedicated DELETE button always seemed kind of superfluous to me. They can also easily do away with the 5way button including the Info button. They can use the thumbwheel for that.

      Since most of page 2 of the menus relates to JPGs they can easily get rid of that and just make DNGs. If they get rid of video several things from the Set menu disappear. So I can readily see how they can get rid of a lot of things and still make a great camera. It is more about being a photographer than having a ton of crutches.

      Also fewer buttons – easier to weather seal.

  • RangefindersDelight

    “Reduziertes Bedienkonzept” means reducing the options how to access functions of the camera, resulting in less buttons (3?) which means to me we will probably see a M10 with a TL like touch screen? The specs sound promising. No need to replace my Monochrom (CCD) but I’d love to upgrade on the color side (M9-P).

    • nemo295

      I agree. I love my CCD Monochrom. It’s a fantastic camera. But I would like to shoot color with a Leica, too.

      • Brennan McKissick

        Lucky for you, Leica makes cameras that shoot color as well.

  • eric

    without video and only 24mp, i hope they plan on selling the m10 body near the price of the Q. usually new cameras give you more options not less. I was holding out to see what happened with the new m, but now the Q looks like such a steal i am going to buy that instead. i dont mind shooting at only 28mm and in four years ill have extra money to use on an m11.

    • Pablo

      why would you like video with an M anyways?

      • eric

        i dont need video but i may use it if im somewhere cool. i just think it should an option like wifi. dont need wifi either but it comes in handy when youre not near a computer.

      • Ric Ricard

        The M240 was better at video than people gave it credit for. Here is a sample I filmed 2 years ago. I added a grain effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXEV10aCoNE&t=82s

        Video is very useful when you’re in the middle of a still photography shoot and a client or just a person there says, “hey can you get a quick clip of this?”

      • While not a great video camera, the M is the only camera that takes video that allows you to focus through a separate optical viewfinder. Sure, there are problems focusing through the rangefinder whilst filming, but all the problems/slowness/grain that makes videos hard through an EVF or LCD are gone when using the rangefinder. Fabulous.

    • Brennan McKissick

      What are you shooting that requires more than 24mp and for $7000 you could buy something else for video that’s infinitely better and will have a more usable form factor than an M camera.

      • eric

        yeah, im not into making videos with a leica camera, just think it should be an option. as to the 24mp? i shoot a lot of landscapes and when i shoot in digital it helps to have more pixels. just my personal preference.

        • Ric Ricard

          The Fuji are all 24mp, I believe. The Nikon flagship is only 20mp. 24mp is still a very valid offering.

          • TwoStrayCats

            To be fair, Nikon’s D5 is a speed demon, not a resolution monster.

          • Ric Ricard

            I know that, but it is also the camera that will be used by all the entertainment shooters creating 2 page spreads in Us Weekly. All those red carpet images on Getty Images and all the concert and party images you see will be taken at high ISO with a 20mp camera. If that is enough resolution for Getty and thousands of magazines, it is certainly enough resolution for Leica shooters who often are not even pros. It’s insane to have so many real, working photographers using 20mp, and then have a bunch of guys who have never sold a photo in their life complaining that 24 mp is not enough for them.

          • Brennan McKissick

            You’re my hero. This right here sums it up.

          • Bo Dez

            then there are those that complaining that 24MP is enough who are professionals. There are all sorts of photography ya know.

          • eric

            i never said 24mp wasnt valid, just my opinion its not enough. im an artist. i sell prints as big as 24×36 sometimes and i like more pixels for landscapes. but i dont shoot for small magazines, editorials, or online social media though so i dont know what there process is. if its good enough for you, then great. reasonable people can disagree. i still like leica, im just going to get the Q instead because i think its a better deal.

          • Ric Ricard

            If you have a chance, please take a look at a video I made a few years ago. It is only 2:30 long. In the video, I show a really large print made from a 12mp camera. I think 24mp is enough for a lot of photographers. Commercial shooters need more, and photographed who deal with art directors who give really specific requirements for file delivery may need more. But for the vast majority of pros -including the ones making 24×36 prints, I honestly can’t see the need for more than 24mp in print making. I own a Nikon D810 and the extra resolution is very useful for retouching -but not necessary for print making. Just my take. The video I referred to is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K92T1AyJpM

          • eric

            cool, i will check it out. i also own a Nikon D810, great camera still four years later and i hear they may upgrade that model next year as well. i understand everyone has a different take on the amount of pixels they think you need and i mean really the new sports illustrated cover was just shot on iphone, so some would say 12mp is enough for what they do. but i can recall when people said 16mp was enough a five years ago, then 20, now 24. opinions seems to change over time. in ten years people will be saying 54 is enough and 72 is too many etc.

          • Ric Ricard

            But I think the mistake most people make is that they judge their gear by looking outside of their own computer screen. Let’s say you own a M240 and then you read that the D810 has better dynamic range. Then you read that the 5DMKIV has better dynamic range also. As does the Fuji XT2. Now you’re on a forum saying you need better dynamic range from the next Leica. The problem is, that need isn’t coming from you looking at your own files. It’s coming from you looking at what the competition does.

            Here’s an example from my world. My Nikon D3s is often too loud to photograph meetings. My M9 (and my recently sold M240) is quiet enough for these meetings. (Of course I can’t use these cameras in these situations because the buffer isn’t large enough, but we aren’t talking about that here). So for me, the M9 and M240 are a perfect solution to the loud shutter of the D3s. Most people, would look at the fact that both Fuji and Sony have 100% SILENT cameras, and say, “I need a silent camera.” Or, “I need a silent camera from Leica.” But in my own world, with my own clients, the noise of the M9 and M240 is just fine for the meetings I shoot, so I don’t “need” a silent shutter. I try to base my needs on my own real world needs rather than looking at what the cameras from the other companies are capable of.

          • The largest blow-up I’ve had of a low-resolution file was about 3,5 metres on the long end and 2,7 on the tall end. It was fifteen megapixels and it was the advertising poster for a trade show.

          • CHD

            I understand what you’re saying….and I largely agree with you. But….when we are paying $7-$8k for a new M we should EXPECT leading edge performance. It doesn’t matter that what we have may be ‘good enough’, you could have made that argument 10 years ago about my Canon 5D but look where we’re at now.

          • David V. Kutaliya

            Yes, 24 MP corresponds to the size 24×36

          • David V. Kutaliya
        • Bo Dez

          24Mp is ridiculous, IMO.

          • eric

            yeah, i agree. its funny that the self annointed experts will talk about how they would like more dynamic range, faster shooting, cleaner menus, slimmer body, better evf, etc. but the subject of more megapixels is taboo. i think its valid that everyone can have their own opinion and see cameras differently.

      • MdB

        Why shouldn’t I have video? The Mount is adaptable, it has a FF sensor that is certainly capable of nice video. And RFs have two very distinct advantage to anything else:

        A) An optical viewfinder WHILE filming
        B) The RF focussing enables one to pull focus and see how far off their focus is and when to stop.

        I would definitely buy one if it had the SL’s video (at least), but harder to justify without.

        • Boris but No Johnson

          I presume it’s because the 10 is going to have the quiet shutter mechanism featured in the 262. The 240, like any other mirrorless, has to close its shutter before it opens up for the actual exposure before closing up again, finally open up for live view – that’s why it sounds like chup-kl-lick-chup. The 262 shutter works more like the 8&9 except it doesn’t make that winding whine – it’s closed all the time, and only open for exposure – it’s just a kl-lick.

          • MdB

            The M 240 does ‘have to’ either, unless in live view. Plus ‘most mirrorless’ use an electronic first curtain shutter so don’t ‘have to’ do anything with the shutter at the start of the exposure, unlike the 262. None of which affect the ability to do video.

          • Boris but No Johnson

            From what I have read 240 doesn’t use an electronic first curtain in live view – nor does Sony A7R…

          • MdB

            Yes, that’s two very select models. Besides the behaviour in live view can be different to using the RF, so don’t understand how it needs to be different. The SL, which the M10 is supposed to share a sensor with, has a fully electronic shutter option as well, so that M10 could have a completely silent shutter.

        • Fiske

          I was thinking they might have traded video to get the smaller, old-school form factor. The video stuff may generate too much heat — certainly a problem with some of the Sony cameras. Adding a larger heat sink to offset that might spoil the thin form factor. Just guessing.

  • nemo295

    It all sounds very enticing, except for the SL sensor. I’m hoping for something that was developed specially for the M10.

    • andre_

      I see your point, but “the same SL sensor” don’t necessarily means the M10 won’t have the M240’s microlenses offset (that is what really makes the difference). It’s quite necessary to achieve the best results with the M lenses.
      For the rest (colour, rendition, etc.) the firmware is what’s important. 🙂

      • Indeed: as long as the microlenses are developed for M lenses, I’m down. I love the SL’s sensor.

        • I am sure they will be, Leica will not go one step forward and two steps backwards.

      • nemo295

        Apart from the microlenses, by the time the M10 is released the SL’s sensor will be a 2-year old design. The flagship Leica M series deserves an updated sensor with improved dynamic range and ISO sensitivity.

        • Dmitry Anisimov

          Duh why don’t they buy 42 mp sensor from Sony then, it has enough angular response to work with M and SL lenses at same time

          • MdB

            Who says Sony is selling them?

          • Dmitry Anisimov

            Good point. Though maybe Leica haven’t really tried to negotiate with Sony well enough.

        • Charles

          I’m sure Leica is prepared to put a two-year-old Q/SL sensor design into a new M body.
          They have never shown much concern is releasing bleeding-edge sensors, and M-specific microlens design will be a costly variance in itself.
          I have come to assume that any M-specific sensor will be a couple of years behind the pack.
          I really hope I’m wrong.

  • andre_

    I’m not be in a hurry to upgrade my M240, but for everybody has a (well used) M9, this is really attractive…
    The real difference would be different versions with 0.58, 0.72, 0.85 and maybe a 1X viewfinder. 🙂

    I’d relinquish my M240 rear monitor, for a M10 with a 0.85X viewfinder…. 😉

    • EnPassant

      Leica sell 1.25x and 1.4x viewfinder magnifiers.
      There is also a 1.1-1.6 zooming magnifier from Hong-Kong.

      • andre_

        I know, thanks! 🙂
        And I use the 1.25X with my 90mm, when it’s not on the Sony A7.
        But it’s not the same…
        a_

    • Wait so the Leica M10 has no LCD like that Leica M-D?

      • andre_

        No (or maybe not yet).
        But I expect something similar in the next two years.

  • Brennan McKissick

    I won’t be able to afford it at all but I’m excited that this camera is going to exist. This is going to be the best M yet for sure.

    • Every iteration has been a huge upgrade in both usability and reliability. The M is the most reliable digital camera I’ve owned. Its problem for me doing events is singular: review speed is sometimes 1 second, which makes award ceremonies tricky.

  • CHD

    Nothing here worth spending $7-$8k to upgarde my M240.

    • Ric Ricard

      Totally disagree. If the M10 is lighter, and thinner and does 5fps and allows you to shoot without constantly hitting the buffer, then there is absolutely a reason to upgrade. If it has improved high ISO, that would be yet another reason to upgrade. What were you expecting as a reason to upgrade? More megapixels? Doesn’t interest me nearly as much as the stuff I mentioned.

      • raziel28

        Well, You must be a filthy rich to justify the purchase of every new Leica model. I do not want to sound harsh, but the price of the Leica M and its lenses are absurd.
        On the other hand, there is nothing revolutionary in technology they packed in, not even evolutionary.
        Leica M with 2 or 3 lenses will cost as much as Fuji/Hasselblad/Pentax medium format, maybe even more…
        I have been wanting to purchase an M for years. Unfortunately, in My view (and I am a photo enthusiast) it as absolutely unprofitable… For that price, i would rather buy a new 5ds + 1DX (or Nikon equivalent) combo or above mentioned Medium format cameras…
        Regards

      • CHD

        5fps….means absolutely nothing to me. If you need 5fps you shouldn’t be shooting an M. Lighter and thinner…also not a big deal. The weight of the M is not an issue to me although slightly thinner would be nice. High ISO is a ‘nice to have’ but not worth spending $8k.

        16 bit files with improved DR and say 36MP would have been perfect for me.

        • Ric Ricard

          When I do street photography using my M9, I know only get 1 shot at catching the right moment because by the time the M9 takes the second image, the moment has changed. My focus on street photography is couples interacting. This work can be viewed on one of my IG accounts (@cameraworknyc). Having more fps would absolutely help me capture these moments. I’m including an image here that illustrates what I am saying. I took a candid image of these 2 girls joining hands with their thumbs up. Then, they each put a thumb in their mouth and I pushed the shutter….the camera wouldn’t fire. It fired a fraction of a second later, and one girl had already moved her mouth. I had missed the moment. More fps would have saved this shot. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b398e65e22e3a73a33482dde64365837f49cf9310c807e891df60031f08e2f03.jpg

          Mind you, Street Photography is dead last in importance in my photography. I don’t make any money off street shots and it does nothing for my career. This was just the most recent example in my head of where the low fps of the M9 directly affected my own ability to nail a shot.

          But I actually agree with you. I don’t need 5fps. The fps of the M240 at low ISO is enough for me. What I do need though, is a 25 shot buffer. The number one reason I don’t use the M9 or M240 (when I owned one) was because I constantly hit the buffer in my style of shooting.

          On a side note, are you aware that the buffer and fps of the M240 slows down when you set the ISO higher than 1,000? I’ve never seen a single reviewer comment on this. When I show this occurrence to guys at the Leica store (NYC, LA and MIA) they seem to have never noticed it before. I’m convinced nobody actually shoots these Leicas… Maybe I’m the only one actually using them.

          • CHD

            ‘On a side note, are you aware that the buffer and fps of the M240 slows down when you set the ISO higher than 1,000?’

            No…I didn’t know this. That’s an interesting and quirky issue with the M240 but for me a bit of a non-issue. I typically use ISO 200-800 for 95% of my shots…and at night I am usually using a tripod to get long exposures. Everyone’s needs are different I guess:)

          • Wait, why would it slow down ???? I do not get it because that could be the issue im having then. However, it would also freeze my camera too.

          • Ric, you are not alone with this. I was thinking the same that I could be the rare few that are actually using the cameras to it’s potential for work of art. Very nice work you have too here is mine all from the Leica M-D and noctilux:

            instagram.com/superbvisual But I definitely agree with you- I really really need more buffer and do you seem to have an issue with overheating or a slow down with the shutter?

          • Ric Ricard

            Sold M240 a few months back, but had it for 2 years. Never had any issues with it at all in terms of not working properly. Following you on IG. Killer shots there!

          • Thanks bro! I appreciate it, what’s your IG I will follow back 🙂

          • Ric Ricard

            Main account is @johnricard. My Leica street photography account is @cameraworknyc

          • CHD

            ‘I was thinking the same that I could be the rare few that are actually using the cameras to it’s potential for work of art’
            Seriously…this has got to be the most pretentious thing I’ve read all week.

          • Sorry it was definitely not the intention. Goodness people are more sensitive than my ISO here lol. 😛

          • EvilTed

            That’s what you get for shooting on the street with a Leica 🙂
            An M9 is also hopeless at low light as can be seen in the noise in the example but hey, it’s all about the Leica shooting feeling, isn’t it?

          • DMR

            I need to investigate this more, but I have had the same experience shooting high ISO on the M9Monochrom. I was shooting backup at a wedding with it at ISO ~4000+, and it locked up the buffer after 2-3 shots at most if my memory serves. I’ll test it again but agree, buffer has to be improved on the next iteration of digital M’s.

    • MdB

      #morondoesntunderstandupgrading

      • CHD

        Dude, what’s your issue?? Explain to me what exactly in this new M is worth spending $8k and selling my M240??? Any improvements (based on these rumored specs) are minor.

        • Thomas Thorne

          What is your issue? Why would you care in the least what other people value and how much they value it?

          • CHD

            I could care less how you spend your money, if you see value in the M10 go ahead and buy one. This is a forum for opinions and in my opinion the M10 is not worth buying if you already own an M240.

          • Thomas Thorne

            So someone gave you their opinion of your valuation of the new camera. Does your cliche “this is a forum for opinions” apply to everyone, or just you?

            You asked the poster to explain to you “what exactly in this new M is worth spending $8k and selling my M240?” and then referred to the improvements as “minor”. You are arguing that it is not worth it and challenging people of an opposing view to substantiate their position, implying that they would not be able to. That is more than just sharing an opinion. You want to state it as if it were a universal fact. And thats fine because free speech is great and you can say whatever you want.

            Problems is, nobody told you that you had to buy it, or even that you should, so you never meant to give your opinion based on your personal circumstances. You meant to discourage others from seeing value in the new camera, to which I asked why you care “what other people value and how much they value it?”

            Still it was a rhetorical question as the phenomenon of tearing down the incoming product at this stage is almost a mainstay attitude of those who’s insecurities are tied to their belongings, thus making them feel all warm and fuzzy while on the inside, they still want the new one but just won’t admit it….

            And so it goes…

  • ZMWT

    So, what’s the point of recently announced M-D then? The lack of LCD only? If M10 specs and rumours are true, then M10 won’t cost less than M-D, but perhaps same. So Leica will have a bunch of same cameras in about the same price range, regardless whether they have or lack any feature. Yeah, grrrreat ….
    If the price of M10 is not lower, then I personally don’t get it — what’s the strategy behind repeating same and same again? As a user noted below, the Q is by far most cost-effective and smartest current Leica, and it has video and is thinner than M240; I am not buying it that “M10 has to get rid of video to be slimmer”.

    • Boris but No Johnson

      Think what they’re trying to do is replace the 240 & 262 with a new model. Bet at the end of the day it will be just the standard M10, M10-P & MD.

    • Ric Ricard

      As an M9 owner, and an owner of the M240 for 3 years ( recently sold it), please allow me to explain. There is a serious problem with the digital Ms -the buffer is too small. It’s under 10 shots on both cameras. The main reason I don’t take an M on a given gig, is that I know there will be times that I will push the shutter button, and absolutely nothing will happen. If Leica were to fix this one problem it would be groudbreaking for the M cameras. That one fix is worth hundreds of “points” to a real shooter. It’s worth much more than a higher megapixel chip or increased dynamic range. Frankly, the only things I want from the next M are, smaller body, better buffer and Nikon D3s style low light performance.

      • I have this exact same problem recently and it has been becoming more frequent lately. I’m shooting with the Leica M-D and I’ve called the Leica Support in NJ they told me they would have to send it back to Germany and that it will be in serviced for 4 months round trip. 🙁 the MD is my main camera so I will be losing out so much shots. They really do need to fix this because there was that ONE great shot I know I missed.

      • ZMWT

        Yes, Ric, I concur. However, that is the problem Leica could have addressed in all recent models, including the M240, but they did not. Therefore I see no point in releasing a new camera that may bring that boost in buffer size alone, if it’s not done so far. Why Leica needed endless iteration of the same in the last 3 years if basic problems were not addressed in any of them?

        • Ric Ricard

          Agreed. Once they released M-P with 2 Gig buffer, every subsequent model should have had that buffer.

          • CHD

            If for no other reason then the cost difference in components to provide 2 Gb vs 1 Gb is minuscule.

      • Bo Dez

        1 frame per second at 50MP would be fine for my use.

        • Brennan McKissick

          Then the guys at Hasselblad, PhaseOne, Pentax and now Fuji would love to chat with you.

          • Bo Dez

            I have a Hasselblad/Phase. That doesn’t mean I need a high res M any less – you have no idea why and yet you are attacking me for it. lol.

          • Brennan McKissick

            No one is attacking, we are asking why do you need a high mp M when there are other cameras that you already own that serve that purpose? The calling of the red dot is strong here.

          • Bo Dez

            yup, attacking and generally being rather rude. you’re the one defending the red dot it seems.

        • Ric Ricard

          Because you’re using a fake name online, we have no way of knowing if your needs are reasonable or outrageous. When someone like myself uses his real name and posts tons of a Leica images on 3 separate IG accounts (@johnricard, @ricinaction @cameraworknyc) you have the ability to look at his work and make a judgement whether his “needs” for better gear are logical or just internet BS.

          • Bo Dez

            whatever dude. Some of don’t need the opinions of others to justify own own means.

          • Brennan McKissick

            Then why do you post online?

          • Bo Dez

            Naive anecdotes posted as alleged rules from “real shooters” that everyone else should have to abide by rub me up the wrong way.

      • CHD

        I’ve never…not even once….had either my M8 or my M240 freeze up due to buffer issues. In my opinion fps and buffer issues rank right up there with video when discussing the M…who cares. Seriously, it’s a manual camera with no AF so if speed is a concern there are far better and cheaper options out there then a Leica M. Maybe you should be using the SL.

        • Ric Ricard

          Not sure how well you can see these contact sheet images, but these images represent the exact type of situation where I love using my Leica M9 or (previously owned M240). I’m shooting behind the scenes images with the Leica, while I am taking the “real” images with the Nikon D810.

          If you look carefully, you will see a stylist putting oil on a model. You can see I’m shooting quite a few frames and I’m changing the composition slightly between each frame. I’m also trying to catch a moment where the stylist’s face looks right. I”m shooting behind the model and I’m also shooting low and shooting from high. In this situation, I will absolutely hit the buffer constantly with the M240 and even more frequently with the M9. This happens to me pretty much every single time I use either https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09c0c61572da61acdb957fac63be4ce208ff5a1127e3d497c2c6615e0ba51612.jpg one of these cameras, and this is why having an increased buffer is the one feature that I am most looking forward to in the M10.

  • DouglasGottlieb

    Wowza! Sounds amazing.

  • 9 oz. 5 in.

    No improve in grip? Hope to see the back side image soon! Mount color should be black too!

    • What improvements could be made to the M’s grip that wouldn’t immediately change its fundamental operation?

  • BeeWee

    I find it mildly strange for Leica to go with 3 buttons vs 4 buttons.

    The S started the 4 button concept on Leica (though it was also on other MF cameras before the S2 was first announced). The SL continued this trend, and the most recent Sinar back also adopted this user interface.

    It would make a lot of sense for Leica to want to converge on a common interface across their various bodies so that it would feel more seemless to move across different cameras. Also, form a purely asthetics standpoint, a 3 button setup would look odd unless all three buttons are located on one side, possibly to make room for a bigger screen?

    On a slightly different topic, I’m not sure if anyone has noticed the recurring theme. Towards the end of each digital M camera’s product cycle, Leica tends to experiment with a somewhat interesting but niche design that usually somehow gets incorporated into the next major release of the M.

    We saw the M9 Titanium which was the first M to have LED lit framelines and a intersting finger loop. The LED lit framelines found its way into the M typ240. The finger loop was also made available in the optional grip for the M type 240.

    I have a feeling that the first M monochrome body was in someways a test bed for an ultra-high resolution M colour camera and it was because of this camera that Leica realized it’s full line up of lenses at the time wasn’t quite up to snuff for the level of detail that the monochrome sensor was able to resolve and it would take a new generation of lenses before it would have a full set of lenses that would do such resolving power justice. To this end, Leica started to slowly update its lenses for the new digital era but has kept resolution of each new M roughly the same until there comes a point where Leica feels that there are enough high resolution M lenses that will do a higher resolution sensor justice.

    I recall somewhere that, in an interview with media, someone at Leica had mentioned that the company has a product roadmap that goes 20 years out. For most people this would sound like an exercise in frustration. However, it’s not inconceivable for Leica to take such a long view out when it comes to designing lenses that must not only hold up to sensors that available in the present, but way into the future with new sensor technology that may not even exist at the time of the release of a given new lens, or is so new that it is only achieveable in a lab environment at the time.

    In the mean time, we see the ISO button on the M-D. It’s becoming clear now that the ISO dial on the M-D was in some ways a test bed for the M10.

    • RRDiaz

      The M 262, M-D 262 and Q were well received. The Q so much that production could not keep up with demand. I hope Leica will build upon these new platforms. Hoping for the QL, M10-P, M10-D & M10 Monochrom.

      • The Leica MQ would be a bad ass name too. – instagram.com/superbvisual

    • Bo Dez

      So the M10 will have the stupid ping pong bat rubber, is that what you are saying? 🙂

    • Yes, all three buttons will be located on one side – just wait for my next post for few more M10 details.

  • RangefindersDelight

    PS: “Improved menu (Ganz nach Wunsch Das Favoriten Menü)” Is a very shortened translation. Literally it means “According to your wishes The menu of favourites” which makes me even more believe that the M10 will have a touch screen. On the current TL site Leica says: And the ‘MyCamera’ menu allows you set and save favourite functions for your own special style of photography.

  • MZ

    The sensor is the soul of a digital camera. If Leica again chooses form over function, thinking that just repackaging SL in a M body will be enough…well, I’d rather keep on using my M9P and buy into Hassy X1D

  • Thomas Thorne

    I like what I am hearing so far. The only thing that is going to keep my from buying this camera, however, is the fact that I know I will want one of the later releases, like the M10P version, or a Safari version, or something like that. I wish we had an option up front, so we could decide which version we wanted and pay accordingly to upgrade to the new model. As it sits, I am weary from being attracted away to new “models” within the model cycle a couple times, so I am not sure I am going to do it this time. I will definitely get one, but I will wait for the P or something like that.

  • benji2505

    here is another chapter from the book of useless information:
    “Ganz nach Wunsch Das Favoriten Menü”
    does not mean that the menu has been improved, it means that there will be a menu that the user can customize with its favorites.

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